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Rovic P.
Rovic P.
Jon Slonosky


== The Essay ==
== The Essay ==

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Microkernel

  • Moving kernel functionality into processes contained in user space, e.g. file systems, drivers
  • Keep basic functionality in kernel to handle sharing of resources
  • Separation allows for manageability and security, corruption in one does not necessarily cause failure in system
  • Large amount of moving from a process to Kernel to user space and back again, this is a costly operation.

Microkernel

  • try's to minimize the amount of software that is mandatory or required [7]

advantages of Microkernel

  • favors a modular system structure [7]
  • one failure of a program does not impact any other programs [7]
  • can support more than one api or strategies since all programs are separated [7]

Microkernel Concepts

  • piece of code is allowed in the kernel only if moving it outside the kernel would adversely affect the system. [7]
  • any subsystem program created must be independent of all other subsystem's, any subsystem that is used can guarantee this from all other subsystems [7]
Address Space
  • a mapping that relates the physical page to the virtual page. [7]
  • processor specific [7]
  • hide's the hardware's concept of address space [7]
  • based off the idea of recursion each subsystem has it's own address space [7]
  • the micro kernel provides 3 operations [7]
    • Grant [7]
      • allows the owner to give a page to a recipient, provided the recipient want's it the page is removed from the owner's address space and but in the recipients. [7]
      • must be available to the owner. [7]
    • Map [7]
      • allows the user to share a page with a recipient [7]
      • page is not removed from the owner's address space. [7]
    • Flush [7]
      • remove's the page from all recipients address space [7]
      • how does this work with Grant --Asoknack 19:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
  • allows memory management and paging out side the kernel
  • Map and flush is required for memory manger's and pagers [7]
  • can be used to implement access right's [7]
  • controlling I/O Right's and driver's are not done at kernel level [7]
Thread's IPC
  • Threads
    • in the kernel [7]
    • Since a thread has an address space , all changes to the thread need to be done by the kernel [7]
  • IPC [7]
    • in the kernel IPC
    • grant and map also need IPC (So buye the priciple above this has to be in the kernel)[7]
    • basic way for sub process to communicate. [7]
  • Interrupts
    • partially in the kernel [7]
    • hard ware is a set of thread's which are empty except for there unique sender id [7]
    • transformation of the message to the interrupt is done in the kernel [7]
    • the kernel is not involved in device - specific interrupt's and does not understand the interrupt. [7]
      • resting the interrupt is done at user level [7]
    • if a privileged command is need it is done implicitly the next time an IPC command is sent from the device [7]
Unique Identifiers

Virtual Machine

  • Partitioning or virtualizing resources among OS virtualization running on top of host OS
  • Virtualized OS believe running on full machine on its own

System Level Virtualization

VMM

  • stands for Virtual Machine Monitor, also known as the hyper-visor[4]
  • responsible for virtualization of hardware(mapping physical to virtual) and the VM that run on top of the virtuallized hardware [4]
  • usually a small os with no drivers , so it is coupled with a linux distro that provides device / hardware access [4]
    • the os that the VMM is using for driver's is called the hostOS [6]
  • the hostOS provides login and physical access to the hardware as well as management for the VMM [6]

VM

  • the OS that the vm is running is called the guestOS [6]
  • the guestOS only sees resources that have been allocated to the VM [6]

three approaches

  • Type I virtualization [5]
    • runs off the physical hardware [4]
    • Isolation of the guestOs from the hardware is done threw processe level protection meachnism[6]
      • ring 0 = VMM [6]
      • ring 1 = VM [6]
      • this means all instructions from the VM must go threw the VMM [6]
    • since there can be multiple VM's on a computer the scheduling is done by the VMM [6]
    • on boot the VMM creates a hardware platform for the VM [6]
    • load's the VM kernel into virtual memory and then boot's it like a regular computer [6]
    • ex. Xen [4]
  • Type II virtualization [5]
    • run off the host Os [4]
    • ex. VMware , QEMU [4]
  • Para-virtualization [6]
    • Similar to Type but use the HostOs for Device driver access [6]
    • Provide a virtualization that is similar to hardware [From the paper posted, no citation yet]
    • GuestOS and Hypervisor work together to improve performance

Exokernel

  • Micro-kernel architecture with limited abstractions, ask for resource, get resource not resource abstraction
  • Less functionality provided by kernel, security and handling of resource sharing
  • Once application receives resource, it can use it as it wishes/in control
  • Keep the basic kernel to handle allocating resources and sharing rather than developing straight to the hardware

  • multiplex resources securely providing protection to mutual distrustful application threw the use of secure binding's[1]
  • Goal of the exokernel is to give LibOS maximum freedom with out allowing them to interfere with each other. to do this the exokernel separates protection from management in doing this it provide 3 important tasks[1]
    • tracking ownership of resources [1]
    • ensuring protection by guarding all resource usage and binding points (not to shure what binding points are)[1]
    • revoking access to the resources [1]
  • LibrayOS (LibOs)
    • Reduces the number of kernel crossings[1]
    • Not trusted by the exokernel so can be trusted by the application , Example given is a bad parameter passed to the LibOs only the application is affected.[1] (So LibOs cant interact with kernel ???)
    • Any application running on the Exokernel can change the LibrayOs freely [1]
    • Application that use LibOS that implement standard interfaces (POSIX) will be portable on any system with the same interface [1]
    • LibOs can be made portable if it is designed to interact with a low-level machine independent level to hide hardware details [1]

Exokernel Design

Design Principles

  • Securely Expose Hardware [1]
    • an Exokernel tries to create low level primitives that the hardware resources can be accessed from, this also includes interrupts,exceptions [1]
    • the exokernel also export privileged instructions to the LibOS so that traditional OS abstractions can be implemented (eg Process , address pace)[1]
    • Exokernels should avoid resource management except when required protection ( allocation , revocation , ownership)[1]
    • application based resource management is the best way to build flexible efficient flexible systems [1]
  • Expose allocation[1]
    • allow LibOs to request physical resources [1]
    • resource allocation should not be automatic, the LibOS should participate in every single allocation decision [1]
  • Expose Names[1]
    • Use physical name's when ever possible[3] (not to sure what physical names are, I think it is as simple as what the hardware is called)--Asoknack 20:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Physical names capture useful information [3]
      • safer than and less resource intensive than virtual names as no translations are needed[3]
  • Expose Revocation [1]
    • use visible revocation protocol [1]
    • allows well behaved LibOS to preform application level resource management [1]
    • Visible revocation allows the LibOS to choose what instance of the resource to release[1](Visible means that when revocation happens the exokernel tell the LibOS that resource is being revoked)

Policy

  • LibOS handle resource policy decisions
  • Exokernels have a policy to decided between competing LibOS (Priority , share of resources)
    • it enforces this threw allocation and deallocation (every thing can achieved threw this even what block to write and such)

Secure Bindings

  • Used by the exokernel to allow the LibOS to bind to resources [1]
  • Allows the separation of protection and resource use [1]
  • only checks authorization during bind time [1]
    • Application's with complex needs for resources only authorized during bind.[1]
  • access checking is done during access time and there is no need to understand complex resources needs during access[1]
    • (this means that the exokernel checks once to make sure an application has authorization once approved, when the application tries to use the resource the exokernel is only concerned about policy conflict's)--Asoknack 18:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
    • allows the kernel to protect the resources with out understanding what the resource is [1]
  • three way's to implement
  • Hardware Mechanisms [1]
  • Software caching [1]
  • Downloading application code [1]

Downloading Code to the Kernel

  • used to implement secure bindings , and improve performance[1]
    • eliminate the number of kernel crossings [1]
    • downloaded code can be run with out the application to be scheduled [2]

Visible Resource Revocation

  • Used for most resources [1]
    • allows for LibOS to help with deallocation [1]
    • LibOS are able to garner what resources are scare [1]
  • Slower than Invisible as application involvement is required [1]
    • ex of when invisible is used is Processor addressing-context identifiers [1]

Abort Protocol

  • allows the exokernel to take resources away from the LibOS [1]
  • used when the LibOS fails to respond to the revocation request [1]
  • Exokernel must be careful not to delete as the LibOS might need to write some system critical data to the resource [1]

Comparisons

Exokernel/Microkernel

Similarities

  • Limited functionality in kernel
    • functionality in kernel to handle sharing of resources and security
    • avoids programming directly to hardware which creates a dependency
  • Additional functionality provided in user space as processes

Differences

  • Minimal abstractions provided by the kernel
    • Applications given more power in exokernel

Exokernel/VM

Similarities

  • Idea of partitioning resources between applications/OSs
  • "Control" of resource given
  • Isolation from other applications/OSs

Differences

  • Exokernel runs applications, VM runs OS
  • VM uses a hostOS and guestOSs run on top
  • Virtualization on VMs, Exokernel deals with real resources
  • VM hides a lot of information because it emulates. Exokernel does not.

Microkernel/VM

Differences

  • With a virtual machine, you are not virtualizing apps like with a microkernel but virtualizing an entire Operating System.
  • This can be costly but the benefits are that it's easier and all the standard OS features are available.

References

[1] Engler, D. R., Kaashoek, M. F., and O'Toole, J. 1995. Exokernel: an operating system architecture for application-level resource management. In Proceedings of the Fifteenth ACM Symposium on Operating Systems Principles (Copper Mountain, Colorado, United States, December 03 - 06, 1995). M. B. Jones, Ed. SOSP '95. ACM, New York, NY, 251-266. DOI= http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/224056.224076

[2]Engler, Dawson R. "The Exokernel Operating System Architecture." Diss. Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, 1998. Web. 9 Oct. 2010. <http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.61.5054&rep=rep1&type=pdf>.

[3]Kaashoek, M. F., Engler, D. R., Ganger, G. R., Briceño, H. M., Hunt, R., Mazières, D., Pinckney, T., Grimm, R., Jannotti, J., and Mackenzie, K. 1997. Application performance and flexibility on exokernel systems. In Proceedings of the Sixteenth ACM Symposium on Operating Systems Principles (Saint Malo, France, October 05 - 08, 1997). W. M. Waite, Ed. SOSP '97. ACM, New York, NY, 52-65. DOI= http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/268998.266644

[4]Vallee, G.; Naughton, T.; Engelmann, C.; Hong Ong; Scott, S.L.; , "System-Level Virtualization for High Performance Computing," Parallel, Distributed and Network-Based Processing, 2008. PDP 2008. 16th Euromicro Conference on , vol., no., pp.636-643, 13-15 Feb. 2008 DOI= http://doi.acm.org/10.1109/PDP.2008.85

[5]Goldberg, R. P. 1973. Architecture of virtual machines. In Proceedings of the Workshop on Virtual Computer Systems (Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States, March 26 - 27, 1973). ACM, New York, NY, 74-112. DOI= http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/800122.803950

[6]Vallee, G., Naughton, T., and Scott, S. L. 2007. System management software for virtual environments. In Proceedings of the 4th international Conference on Computing Frontiers (Ischia, Italy, May 07 - 09, 2007). CF '07. ACM, New York, NY, 153-160. DOI= http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/1242531.1242555

[7]Liedtke, J. 1995. On micro-kernel construction. In Proceedings of the Fifteenth ACM Symposium on Operating Systems Principles (Copper Mountain, Colorado, United States, December 03 - 06, 1995). M. B. Jones, Ed. SOSP '95. ACM, New York, NY, 237-250. DOI= http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/224056.224075

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An overview of exokernels,virtual machines, microkernels *Overview(Power Point)
Should not be used as a source but an overview.

The original paper on Exokernels --Gautam 22:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Exokernel- Minimalistic abstractions for developers Exokernels can be seen as a good compromise between virtual machines and microkernels in the sense that exokernels can give that low level access to developers similar to direct access through a protected layer and at the same time can contain enough hardware abstraction to allow similar benefit of hiding the hardware resources to application programs. Exokernel – fewest hardware abstractions to developer Microkernel - is the near-minimum amount of software that can provide the mechanisms needed to implement an operating system Virtual machine is a simulation of any or devices requested by an application program Exokenel – I’ve got a sound card Virtual Machine – I’ve got the sound card you’re looking for, perfect virtual match Microkernel – I’ve got sound card that plays Khazikstan sound format only MicroKernel - Very small, very predictable, good for schedualing (QNX is a microkernel - POSIX compatable, benefits of running linux software like modern browsers)

This is some ideas I've got on this question, please contribute below -Rovic

Outlining some main features here as I see them.

I found that the exokernel was an even lower-level design than the microkernel, closer to the hardware without abstraction. They have the same architecture with the basic functionality contained in the kernel to manage everyone. As the exokernel "gives" the resource to the application it can use the resource in isolation of other applications (until forced to shared) much like VMs receive their resources, either partitioned or virtualized, and execute as if its running on its own machine. There is this similar notion of partitioning the resources among applications/OS and allowing them to take control of what they have.

I'll locate some references later on. --Slay 15:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm just going to post my answer for question 1 on the individuel assignment and hope it helps. --Aellebla 15:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

The design of the micro kernel was to take everything they could out of the Kernel and put it into a process. For ex, networking would be put into a process instead of staying in the kernel. The micro kernel dev's tried to keep lots of things in user space for efficiency. But one major problem with this is there would be a large amount of moving from a process to the kernel to user space and back again and this is a costly, non efficient process.It was an application specific OS, there was no multiplexing. With a virtual machine you are not virtualizing apps like with a microkernel but virtualizing an entire Operating System. This is very heavy however but the benefits are that it‟s easy and all the standard OS features are there whereas in a microkernel setup they would not all be there and this can be seen as a compromise.

Exokernels can be seen as a compromise to virtual machines and microkernels because virtual machines emulate and exokernels do not. When you emulate something you hide a lot of the actual information because you wouldn‟t be able to see the „real‟ hardware. If we look at a virtual box setup running Linux, and we go look at all the hardware, it will be displayed as fake hardware.


Maybe we can have an introduction - paragraph or so on each type - then similarities - differences - and the compromise. I am going to do some research and writing this weekend and I will put some up -- Jslonosky

btw in my page (i guess you can call it that) i have some resources i have found --Asoknack 15:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC) - Wow, nice man. I will go ahead and write up the descriptive paragraphs on each kernel and virtual machine if no one minds. --Jslonosky

I think we should divide up the paragraphs and proofread each others instead. (Are there only 4 of us?) I don't have much time to work on this today though but I'll try to work on it tomorrow morning. - Slay

Sure guy. That sounds good. There should be 5 or 6 of us though.. . Oh well. Their loss. I will do some before or after work today. Ill start with Microkernel since there is not a large amount of info here, and so we don't overlap each other - JSlonosky

yeah i think there was more like 7 of us btw if any one has any more information feel free to add it would be nice if you add the references so that way citing is really easy on acm.org it will auto give you the citation info (where it says Display Formats click on ACM Ref and new window with the citation info auto pop's up) --Asoknack 02:28, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I added an outline of the similarities and differences. Add any more that I missed. These are from observations so I don't have any resources. -Slay That's probably fine. Our textbook probably outlines some of them, so I am sure we can find a few there - JSlonosky

Talked to the teacher today and for VM he said we should focus on the implementation such as Xen and VMware , he also said to talk about para virtualization --Asoknack 18:42, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

A paper about emulation and paravirtualization link - Slay

Oh no big words. Sorry about the Microkernels not done yet. Working on an outline now. Finally found how to access the ACM through carleton. Gawd. I am planning an outline, quick bit about kernels in general, (maybe mention monolith kernels?), and what microkernels do. I see the microkernel outline info and a reference ( Whomever did that == hero: true) about the scheduling and the Memory management. Should that be included in kernels in general and then mention what microkernels build upon/change? - JSlonosky

Sorry late to the party here. My mistake was not checking the discussion page when I checked in. I don't want to trample anyone's current work but I don't see any work on the final essay done. I would love to help just need to know where I can step in so as to not screw anyone else up. -- Cling

I don't think I'll be able to write up something for the final essay, even though I suggested splitting it. I'll do research tonight though on the paravirtualization. If I find the time, I'll try to write something. Sorry about that. --Slay 21:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

We all have 3004 to do too, man. I do not think anyone has chosen to do Virtual Machine section yet, or the Exokernel itself. But the contrast paragraph and the intro is chosen, and intro is done. Microkernel and kernel will be done in a hour I hope. -- JSlonosky

I can attempt to write up anything, the issue is I don't have any context on what to write, how do I tie it in to the rest of the essay? I only have a Japanese Quiz tomorrow morning then I should be good to write anything up for the rest of the day. As someone who has already written part of the essay, and assuming I attempt the exokernel section, how much do you think I should write? Should it just be about exokernel or should there be comparisons to the other topics? Thanks --Cling 23:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Go with the Exokernel itself. Slade is getting off work in a hour and we can double check what he is doing then. We can put it together tomorrow sometime, and fill in the other stuff. - JSLonosky

I'll attempt to work on VM tonight, then. I would feel so bad if I didn't write anything. -Slay

Still wondering how much to write, I think we should decide on a decent word count or length so we don't have one short section (which would probably be mine) and/or one massive section that dwarfs all the others. If anyone has already written a section could you post your word count so we can aim to be around there, it would obviously be just a recommendation but it's just better to be on the safe side and have everything uniform. I haven't seen any formal requirements for the essay but I could be wrong, I also haven't been to class in a while. --Cling 23:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


Yeah Slay, VM probably doesnt have much to write about. Get something down, and we can go over it. CLing, Just write what you think. There is not a lot to go over if I write kernel/microkernel well enough. What is a exokernel? exokernel was an even lower-level design than the microkernel, closer to the hardware without abstraction, basically (As said by Slade). I will probably end up with 500 or a bit more words. -- JSlonosky

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The Essay

Let's actually breakdown the essay into components then write it here.

I'd like to go along the premise that microkernels and and virtual machines are "weaker" than exokernels in design for the essay. If anyone has any objections, add it here.

-Slade

what do you mean by "weaker"(i think you mean exokernels' takes the best of both worlds ) --Asoknack 02:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

What I mean by weaker is that we should focus on the things microkernels and virtual machines may not do as well compared to a system based off an exokernel design and then focus on how an exokenenel can take the best of both worlds. Please choose which section you will work on, that's not to say it'll be the only part you do, but rather we'll all contribute to each part please. 1 day left. -Slade

...to the extent that exokernels be seen as a compromise between virtual machines and microkernels. -I'll work on the initial intro. -Slade

3 paragraphs that prove it Explain how the key design characteristics of these three system architectures compare with each other.


intro/thesis statement -Rovic P.

Paragraph 1 -Microkernel -Jon S.

Paragraph 2 -Virtual Machine -unassigned

Paragraph 3 -Exokernel -Corey L

Conclusion -unassigned