EvoSec 2025W Lecture 13: Difference between revisions
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Lecture 13 | |||
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- early lit reviews due on Monday night | |||
- you can have extra time if you talk to me first! | |||
- I expect this to be a draft that will be revised, so I'm looking for honest effort not perfection (progress towards the final project) | |||
G1 | |||
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- first two questions were not too clear to us | |||
- labs are lower trust environments | |||
- clinical trials are higher trust in aggregate | |||
- also more organic, more complex | |||
- updates should not be allowed during the trial, reduces how controlled the experiment is, more confounding variables | |||
- updates => evaluating people behind product rather than just the product | |||
- can you separate company from the product? | |||
- past experience with organization may increase trust separate from actual | |||
product performance | |||
G2 | |||
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- clinical trials have much higher level of trust, you're doing experiments on humans vs cells or animals | |||
- updates could be part of a trial but you'd have to restart the trial | |||
- computer part of computer security system is more predictable than biological systems | |||
- trust should be earned but isn't in practice | |||
G3 | |||
-- | |||
- trials account for population variability beyond what can be done in a lab | |||
- relying too much on standard methods can get outdated, making sure tests adapt to the changing real world | |||
- could have a subscription module so one group could get updates while the other didn't | |||
- people assume security, that things work, because alternative would be too hard | |||
G4 | |||
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- maybe updates should be part of the trial, as ability to adapt to new threats is part of what we want to evaluate | |||
- which product is most likely to stay up to date with current threats after the trial? the one that was getting consistent updates | |||
- products out on the market showed that they work in the past, but new ones are more risky, trust needs to be earned | |||
- defective product costs more to run, so experience can help indicate trustworthiness of a security product | |||
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Latest revision as of 21:56, 27 February 2025
Readings
Discussion Questions
- What is the relationship between trust in medical interventions and clinical trials versus lab experiments?
- What is the relationship between trust in security interventions and lab experiments currently?
- For a security trial to be valid, would the product being tested be allowed to have any updates? Or, would the updates themselves be part of the trial?
- Why do we trust that security technologies actually improve end user or organizational security? Is that trust earned or deserved?
Notes
Lecture 13 ---------- - early lit reviews due on Monday night - you can have extra time if you talk to me first! - I expect this to be a draft that will be revised, so I'm looking for honest effort not perfection (progress towards the final project) G1 -- - first two questions were not too clear to us - labs are lower trust environments - clinical trials are higher trust in aggregate - also more organic, more complex - updates should not be allowed during the trial, reduces how controlled the experiment is, more confounding variables - updates => evaluating people behind product rather than just the product - can you separate company from the product? - past experience with organization may increase trust separate from actual product performance G2 -- - clinical trials have much higher level of trust, you're doing experiments on humans vs cells or animals - updates could be part of a trial but you'd have to restart the trial - computer part of computer security system is more predictable than biological systems - trust should be earned but isn't in practice G3 -- - trials account for population variability beyond what can be done in a lab - relying too much on standard methods can get outdated, making sure tests adapt to the changing real world - could have a subscription module so one group could get updates while the other didn't - people assume security, that things work, because alternative would be too hard G4 -- - maybe updates should be part of the trial, as ability to adapt to new threats is part of what we want to evaluate - which product is most likely to stay up to date with current threats after the trial? the one that was getting consistent updates - products out on the market showed that they work in the past, but new ones are more risky, trust needs to be earned - defective product costs more to run, so experience can help indicate trustworthiness of a security product