Talk:DistOS-2011W Public Goods - Revision history

Aschoenr at 23:55, 10 April 2011

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	o However, there are pieces of the machine that qualify as essential, as a public good		o However, there are pieces of the machine that qualify as essential, as a public good
	o This is a combination of hardware and software services that have been created, maintained and enhanced by both public and private interests		o This is a combination of hardware and software services that have been created, maintained and enhanced by both public and private interests

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			==Main Goals==

			Based on the discussion last class, what I think the focus of the project should be is what are the kind of things that fundamentally should be a "public good" as opposed to exactly how to implement them. Some of the ideas we have come up with can be used for various implementations but I think, in general, we can rely on previous work for most of (if not all) of the implementation details. If this assumed direction is correct, then I think we should aim to try and answer the following questions:
			*What are good candidates for public goods (ie. DNS, internet cache, physical connections, etc)? Why should these services be fundamentally controlled by the public? What are the flaws in the way they are currently used or why should they not be centrally controlled by a single entity? What incentives are there for a given user to participate (willingly or unwillingly)?
			*What would be the net benefit for the local community participating in these public goods?
			*What would be the net impact on the entire internet if all local communities created these public goods (more secure, less bandwidth wasted, etc.)
			*Could there be disadvantages if so how does the benefits offset these drawbacks?
			*What would the cost of the public goods be? What sort of tax would the organizers need to levy.
			*After identifying some candidates for public goods, try and determine what is the commonality between these services, in problem, in alternative? What are some things that are fundamentally different about these goods?

			Note to prof: Please let us know if you have any comments on the overall direction we are taking the project.

			==Definition==

			A public good is:
			*A commodity typically provided by government that cannot, or would not, be separately parceled out to individuals, since no one can be excluded from its benefits.
			*A good that is non-rivalrous and non-excludable. Non-rivalry means that consumption of the good by one individual does not reduce availability of the good for consumption by others; and non-excludability that no one can be effectively excluded from using the good
			*A good that cannot be charged for in relation to use (like the view of a park or survival of a species), so there is no incentive to produce or maintain the good
			*A good that is provided for users collectively, use by one not precluding use of the same units of the good by others
			*A good or service in which the benefit received by any one party does not diminish the availability of the benefits to others, and where access to the good cannot be restricted.
			*Resources that are held in common in the sense than no one exercises any property right with respect to these resources or the exclusive right to choose whether the resource is made available to others

			==Potential Topics==
			* What else occurs on the internet
			** physical infrastructure (phoneline, cable, satellite, etc)
			** DNS, BGP, ----
			** TCP/IP, UDP
			** HTTP, SMTP, POP, IMAP, FTP, SSH
			** email = SPAM, search, internet caching

			Note to prof: This is still a working list, but if you notice anything that we should definitely try to cover that we haven't thought of, please let us know.

			==Current Work==
			*Lester - Physical infrastructure
			*Andrew - Caching
			*Fahim - DNS

Aschoenr at 18:30, 4 April 2011

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	*after these have been implemented, a cache hierarchy can be impodsed where neighbourhood caches can first talk with each other. If there is still a cache miss, then neighbourhoods of neighbourhoods can satisfy requests		*after these have been implemented, a cache hierarchy can be impodsed where neighbourhood caches can first talk with each other. If there is still a cache miss, then neighbourhoods of neighbourhoods can satisfy requests
	*results in a very large, diverse cache that can satisfy a variety of requests		*results in a very large, diverse cache that can satisfy a variety of requests

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			# Public Goods have a variety of definitions from varying disciplines of thought and study

			* Economic:
			o "a commodity typically provided by government that cannot, or would not, be separately parceled out to individuals, since no one can be excluded from its benefits"
			* Socio-political:
			o "a good or service in which the benefit received by any one party does not diminish the availability of the benefits to others, and where access to the good cannot be restricted"
			* Civil:
			o "A concept referring to the general welfare or common well-being of a community. This concept is central to policy makers and government leaders, and should ultimately guide their decision making"

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			* The common theme of the definitions is the benefit and necessity that a good in question for all individuals involved
			* It is increasingly obvious how vital the internet is to all aspects of daily life
			o Work and play are both enhanced by the use of the distributed system that is a repository of information and communication device
			* The internet is a giant for commerce and should not be changed from such.
			o However, there are pieces of the machine that qualify as essential, as a public good
			o This is a combination of hardware and software services that have been created, maintained and enhanced by both public and private interests

Frahman: /* Infrastructure (Lester) */

2011-03-23T21:25:29Z

Infrastructure (Lester)

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	==Infrastructure (Lester)==		==Infrastructure (Lester)==
	[http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/133-us-cities-now-run-their-own-broadband-networks.ars 133 US cities now have their own broadband networks]		[http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/133-us-cities-now-run-their-own-broadband-networks.ars 133 US cities now have their own broadband networks]
			- Just saw this headline and thought it relevant - Fahim

	==DNS (Fahim)==		==DNS (Fahim)==

Frahman: /* Personal Notes */

2011-03-23T21:24:52Z

Personal Notes

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	*[http://www.cs.utsa.edu/~sdykes/papers/hicss99.pdf Taxonomy and Design Analysis for Distributed Web Caching]		*[http://www.cs.utsa.edu/~sdykes/papers/hicss99.pdf Taxonomy and Design Analysis for Distributed Web Caching]

			==Infrastructure (Lester)==
			[http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/133-us-cities-now-run-their-own-broadband-networks.ars 133 US cities now have their own broadband networks]

			==DNS (Fahim)==
	===Presentation Notes===		===Presentation Notes===

Lmundt: /* Discussion with Professor */

2011-03-23T01:32:20Z

Discussion with Professor

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	== Discussion with Professor ==		== Aftermath Discussion with Professor ==
	I talked to the Professor afterwards and he liked where we were going but reminded us he is most concerned that we define the problem well. I think we are heading towards that though.		I talked to the Professor afterwards and he liked where we were going but reminded us he is most concerned that we define the problem well. I think we are heading towards that though. He also said he would be mentioning on Thursday that for both the paper and the presentation that about half the marks would be based on style/polish and that the reputation group had a good easy to follow presentation.

Lmundt: /* Tuesday March 22 (Presentation) */

2011-03-23T01:30:01Z

Tuesday March 22 (Presentation)

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	*making user experience a priority over private interests		*making user experience a priority over private interests


			== Discussion with Professor ==
			I talked to the Professor afterwards and he liked where we were going but reminded us he is most concerned that we define the problem well. I think we are heading towards that though.

Lmundt: /* Physical Infrastructure */

2011-03-22T17:32:29Z

Physical Infrastructure

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	==Physical Infrastructure==		==Physical Infrastructure==

			'''Internet Infrastructure as a public good'''

			For many the internet is important in their daily life as the roads we travel upon. The infrastructure of the internet is thus analogous to the roads we drive and as such should be a public good.
			*Problem
			The internets' infrastructure is primarily in the control of private companies ( ISPs ). The ISPs have the ability to alter speeds ( packet shape ), give preferential treatment to services or website ( web neutrality ) and provide convenient choke points ( internet blackout in Egypt )
			With the infrastructure of the internet as a public good it would not controlled by any private company or single person and these issues can be avoided

			*possible ways of doing this:
			**option 1
			***legislate the ISPs
			**option 2
			***a public infrastructure - mesh
			***still have ISPs for faster service
			***mesh infrastructure could connect individuals within urban centres
			***urban centres could connect to each other with publicly owned trunks

			*Benefits
			**Would guarantee a level of connectivity for everyone
			**Hard to disrupt with so many points of connection and urban centres could continue to communicate even if they become partitioned from the internet
			**Could provide a speed boost by offloading some types of traffic

			*Challenges
			**Routing via a mesh network with mobile nodes and temporary fixed location nodes

	==Web Caching==		==Web Caching==

Lmundt: /* Presentation Notes */

2011-03-22T17:32:07Z

Presentation Notes

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	===Presentation Notes===		===Presentation Notes===

	~~'''Internet Infrastructure as a public good'''~~

	~~For many the internet is important in their daily life as the roads we travel upon. The infrastructure of the internet is thus analogous to the roads we drive and as such should be a public good.~~
	*Problem
	The internets' infrastructure is primarily in the control of private companies ( ISPs ). The ISPs have the ability to alter speeds ( packet shape ), give preferential treatment to services or website ( web neutrality ) and provide convenient choke points ( internet blackout in Egypt )
	~~With the infrastructure of the internet as a public good it would not controlled by any private company or single person and these issues can be avoided~~

	*possible ways of doing this:
	**option 1
	***legislate the ISPs
	**option 2
	***a public infrastructure - mesh
	***still have ISPs for faster service
	***mesh infrastructure could connect individuals within urban centres
	***urban centres could connect to each other with publicly owned trunks

	*Benefits
	**Would guarantee a level of connectivity for everyone
	**Hard to disrupt with so many points of connection and urban centres could continue to communicate even if they become partitioned from the internet
	**Could provide a speed boost by offloading some types of traffic

	*Challenges
	**Routing via a mesh network with mobile nodes and temporary fixed location nodes

Lmundt: /* Presentation Notes */

2011-03-22T16:22:33Z

Presentation Notes

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	'''Internet Infrastructure as a public good'''		'''Internet Infrastructure as a public good'''

	For many the internet is important in their daily life as the roads we travel upon. The infrastructure of the internet is thus analogous to the roads we drive and as such should be a public good.		For many the internet is important in their daily life as the roads we travel upon. The infrastructure of the internet is thus analogous to the roads we drive and as such should be a public good.
	*Problem		*Problem

Lmundt: /* Presentation Notes */

2011-03-22T16:22:14Z

Presentation Notes

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	===Presentation Notes===		===Presentation Notes===

	'"Internet Infrastructure as a public good"'		'''Internet Infrastructure as a public good'''
	For many the internet is important in their daily life as the roads we travel upon. The infrastructure of the internet is thus analogous to the roads we drive and as such should be a public good.		For many the internet is important in their daily life as the roads we travel upon. The infrastructure of the internet is thus analogous to the roads we drive and as such should be a public good.
	*Problem		*Problem